The Catonsville Nine 40 years later

written by krepot, February 29, 2008 | 19:52:08

It was not only St Francis Xavier Catholic Church in PJ that had these type of awareness campaign and dialogs, it was and is being done all over the country and sadly, the general voice of dissatisfaction over the ruling government was clearly heard and shared by many who attended. Some of the stories shared was frightening and unbelievable, but these were coming from the victims.You are right, it will be very tough for BN to get Christian votes in this election. BN MPs just don’t have the guts to stand up for the rakyat, irrespective of race or religion and they are about to pay the price.

Remember Lina Joy
remember L/Kpl M. Moorthy
remember Gan Eng Gor

and remember NOT TO VOTE FOR BN!

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Written by Bandit, February 29, 2008 | 19:58:43

When BN UMNO MCA, MIC and the whole bunch do not respect the religion of others, what do you expect? Support? You must be kidding right?

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Malaysian churches enter untested waters, encourage political debate

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Posted in Malaysia-Today by Raja Petra  
Friday, 29 February 2008
Malaysian churches are opening their doors to politicians from both camps in an unprecedented way as they strive to explore their political voice, perhaps for the first time in Malaysian history.

Traditionally apolitical here, the churches have so far generally still stopped short of endorsing any party or camp, perhaps for fear of being perceived as seeking to be a political power block in this religiously sensitive country.

But they are encouraging political debate, which itself is unusual.

For example, at the Loyola Hall at Saint Francis Xavier Church in Petaling Jaya, 300 parishioners gathered a couple of nights ago to hear the incumbent Gerakan state assemblyman for Bukit Gasing Dr Lim Thuang Seng and another Barisan National representative face off with Mr Edward Lee from the Opposition DAP.

The toughest words came from the floor when the panellists took questions.

Many issues were brought up, most of them reflecting secular concerns, from overpriced land assessment fees and concern over corruption and other rising criminal activities to oil subsidies and the brain drain from Malaysia.

The parishioners did not mince their words when it came to sharing their opinions.

“In the last five years, I find that my religious and fundamental rights have been encroached and eroded. Are you recommending that I vote for Barisan Nasional so that my rights can be further eroded over the next five years?” asked a Chinese man in his 30s, stumping the two Barisan Nasional representatives.

The highlight of the evening remained a rather more secular concern from Mr Victor Oorjitham, Maxwell Towers PA chairman, who requested the two BN men to make a pledge “to support that no development on Bukit Gasing takes place”.

Mr Oorjitham has been campaigning for the past three years to preserve the green lung.

He received a standing ovation.

Despite the tide against him, Datuk Dr Lim was firm: “I’m not going to sign this pledge… because I don’t want to make empty promises. God has put me here to serve you, and serve you well.”

Another parishioner Mr Martin, 57, declared himself unconvinced.

“Pretty much what I expected. The incumbent politicians will never give direct answers and the Opposition will always give promises. I have already decided whom I will vote for. The talk didn’t change my mind. I hope to deny the ruling government the two-thirds majority. It’s a wake up call – time for change,’’ Martin told The Malaysian Insider.

Driving the churches to discover even a limited political role in encouraging such debate is a widespread sense of disillusionment over the way the Government has managed religious interests in past years, say analysts and political observers.

The response at a higher level is mild, but still clear.

The Malaysian Consultative Council of Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism, Sikhism and Taoism issued a statement this week asking their followers to pray for candidates that live up to common religious values and who strive for greater national unity.

On the ground, there appears to be tide of desire to register a point.

But one long-time political observer, who requested anonymity, pointed out that this could backfire as the demographics were against the church – Christians make up fewer than 10% of the population.

“Any move that is perceived as building a power block will draw a negative reaction from the Muslim majority so they will have to think through what they’re doing,” he told The Malaysian Insider.

A noted political commentator Professor Shamsul Amri Baharuddin echoes that view, saying that if the largely urban non-Muslim population choose to sent a negative signal to the ruling Barisan National, it could lead to polarisation of the Malaysian electorate. “On the one hand, a predominantly Malay rural population will support BN and a growing urban non-Muslim population will support the Opposition. This cannot be good for the country.’’

But he adds he still believes the emotion that is driving some of the anti-establishment feeling will be replaced by reason and pragmatism by March 8, polling day.

“The defining question is whether non-Muslims believe that a vote for the Opposition will bring a solution to all their concerns. Deep down they know the answer is no.’’ -  THE MALAYSIAN INSIDER

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Comments

Written by Task Force 101, February 29, 2008 | 18:12:45
The Msian Insider is writing like he is the plant of BN. Noted political commentator?? U must be joking. He is just plant and a**-licking BN plant.

If the Opposition can bring solution to all and sundry concerns, they are wasted governing Msia. They should govern the world. The Opposition should govern USA and bring solution to everyone. Wat an idiot.

No one expects one election on March 8th to address all concerns. Wat we Msians want is to being the process of change, critical thought, healing and nation buliding which the UMNO Fat Pigs have been doing for the last 40 yrs. We want to stop the rape of this country by a bunch of idiots known as BN. We want a cheque and balance in this country and have a voice for the marginalised and tear down the racial bogeyman tat UMNO Fat Pigs have continued to use to remain in power.

BTW, this is not the 1st time St Francis Xavier has arranged a forum. They did it in 1999 as well. Both times I attended and we gave Donald a good rollocking. He won largely due to the uncertainty and disorganised Opposition.

Donald is a dingbat so bankrupt of ideas, now he plays the religion card by saying GOD put him there to serve and serve us well. GOD may have put you in PJ Utara but you raped and did not do anything. We now PRAY to GOD to remove you and bring us someone better!

written by Jimbo, February 29, 2008 | 18:36:54
We Christians only want what is promised to us in the Malaysian Constitution, the supreme legal document in this country. When we see our right being eroded by religious bigots of Islam we need to voice our concern and to fight for our rights. It does not matter who we vote for, we vote for those who will stand up for us based on the rights of Malaysian citizens enshrined in the constitution and not on the whims and fancies of corrupt politicians and judges. The biggest problem in this country is that the Muslims seem to want to get rid of “infidels” from Malaysia. When Muslims are in the majority they do not have regard for the religious freedom of others. However when Muslims are in the minority they seem to demand absolute freedom to practise their religion. Where is the logic? Can you imagine a scenario of Malaysia being tolerant of other religions when we have idiotic/corrupt/extremist parliamentarians, politicians and judges? The ruling party will use lies, ISA, brutal police force etc etc to suppress the non Muslims of this country.

Written by Wisdom above, February 29, 2008 | 18:57:35
A ” Dynamic Malaysia ” …equality for all… a better future…

>…Anwar’s strong presence on the field and drawing large crowds…

> Keadilan, which projects itself as a multi-ethnic party, is regarded as the best bet to bring together DAP and PAS…

He has vowed to end race-based discrimination policies in Malaysia, making it one of the major planks of PKR’s manifesto.

Many professionals have joined the DAP,PAS,PKR,PSM,MDP,PASOK throughout Malaysia, and Sabah & Sarawak.

It is a multi-ethnic party.

” Barisan Rakyat ” … stand together, hand in hand,

> Malays, Chinese and Indians ,Babas, Pribumi,

> all Sarawakians ,Iban,Bidayu,Murut,Melanau,Kelabit, Kayan, Penan,

> all Sabahans , Kandazan dusun …….!

Vote for a New MALAYSIA.

> Prayer Warriors have fast and prayed and will continue to do so.

We have heard of two (2) earthquakes in nearby Sumatra in last 3 weeks.

The earth cries for “Change “.

We have ” Typhoon mood” is to teach the BN a lesson about fairness.

Polling day 8-3-2008 is the “Earthquake”, the one Voice .

The ” Barisan Rakyat ” voice.

Syabas. Barisan Rakyat. ……………………………………18

Written by cruzeiro, February 29, 2008 | 19:06:29
“……if the largely urban non-Muslim population choose to sent a negative signal to the ruling Barisan National, it could lead to polarisation of the Malaysian electorate. “On the one hand, a predominantly Malay rural population will support BN and a growing urban non-Muslim population will support the Opposition. This cannot be good for the country.’’”

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Yes - that will be true so long as the Malay-Muslim electorate chooses
to be bamboozled by the media,
reinforced with the paranoia of dispossession
by lapping up information in the MSM,
and being provoked by the current crop of “leaders” who ask for our votes today.

The word “ALLAH” was in use before Islam was born

Churches turn to courts over use of ‘Allah’

KUALA LUMPUR - TWO Malaysian church organisations have taken issue with the government over the use of the word ‘Allah’ - which means God in the Malay language - in Christian material.

The Sabah Evangelical Church of Borneo has sued the government for banning the import of Christian books containing the word ‘Allah’, while the publisher of Herald - The Catholic Weekly has filed a writ of summons and a statement of claim in the Kuala Lumpur High Court to seek appropriate declarations of the use of the word.

The Sabah Evangelical Church is alleging that the government’s ban was unconstitutional and against freedom of religion, and is challenging the government for declaring that the word ‘Allah’ can only be used exclusively by Muslims, said the church’s lawyer, Mr Lim Heng Seng.

In an affidavit, pastor Jerry Dusing said Customs officials in August confiscated three boxes of education material for children from a church member travelling through the Kuala Lumpur airport.

He was told later that the publications were banned because they contained the word ‘Allah’, which could raise confusion and controversy among Muslims. The Internal Security Ministry also told him the issue was sensitive and has been classified as a security issue, he said in the affidavit.

But the pastor said Christians in Sabah have used the word ‘Allah’ for generations when they worship in the Malay language, and the word appears in their Malay Bible.

‘The Christian usage of ‘Allah’ predates Islam. ‘Allah’ is the name of God in the old Arabic Bible as well as in the modern Arabic Bible,’ he said, adding that ‘Allah’ was widely used by Christians in Egypt, Lebanon, Iraq, Indonesia and other parts of the world without problem.

The publisher of Herald - The Catholic Weekly had filed its writ of summons after the organ of Malaysia ’s Roman Catholic Church was told to drop the word ‘Allah’ in its Malay-language section if it wanted to renew its publishing permit. In a statement released yesterday, it said the Internal Security Ministry had issued it with a series of directives to cease the use of the word in the weekly.

Government officials had said that ‘Allah’ referred only to the Muslim God and could be used only by Muslims.

‘We have decided to have our legal position to use the word determined by the courts,’ the publisher said in the statement.

The weekly’s editor, Reverend Father Lawrence Andrew, said the writ was filed on Dec 5.

ASSOCIATED PRESS, THE STAR/ASIA NEWS NETWORK

THE ORIGINS OF THE WORD ‘ALLAH’, REVIEW

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Curches turn to courts over use of ‘Allah’

KUALA LUMPUR - TWO Malaysian church organisations have taken issue with the government over the use of the word ‘Allah’ - which means God in the Malay language - in Christian material.

The Sabah Evangelical Church of Borneo has sued the government for banning the import of Christian books containing the word ‘Allah’, while the publisher of Herald - The Catholic Weekly has filed a writ of summons and a statement of claim in the Kuala Lumpur High Court to seek appropriate declarations of the use of the word.

The Sabah Evangelical Church is alleging that the government’s ban was unconstitutional and against freedom of religion, and is challenging the government for declaring that the word ‘Allah’ can only be used exclusively by Muslims, said the church’s lawyer, Mr Lim Heng Seng.

In an affidavit, pastor Jerry Dusing said Customs officials in August confiscated three boxes of education material for children from a church member travelling through the Kuala Lumpur airport.

He was told later that the publications were banned because they contained the word ‘Allah’, which could raise confusion and controversy among Muslims. The Internal Security Ministry also told him the issue was sensitive and has been classified as a security issue, he said in the affidavit.

But the pastor said Christians in Sabah hav